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Topic: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

As mentioned before I tend to use the inland brand of PLA from micro center . I am down to the last couple hundred grams or less of a roll of blue.  if i let it sit on the printer I have several breaks in the filament. The filament is a bit coiled . I am printing fine as we speak . If I have to trash the last few wraps on the roll it would not be a catastrophic loss . And it is probably my fault for not bagging the rol when I am not printing. and this roll is likely close to a year old.  Just curious if this is a common problem or me living between a bay and an ocean and not storing filament in a dry enough environment.
Tin

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Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

Hi Tin,

What you are experiencing is fairly common. The problem can be made worse by the conditions the printer is kept in. For example, if there is a lot of moisture in the air then this can cause the filament to become brittle and break.

Storing the filament carefully (e.g in an airtight container) will help. Also if you unwind those last few coils of filament and then leave them on their own (in the airtight container) then they should become less tightly coiled and you may experience fewer breaks.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
3DEX

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3Dex thanks.
Maybe someone can help with an idea for AIR Tight container.
I know from experience ziplock bags help but are not real air  vapor tight.

I handle desiccant packs on a regular basic the only thing that is air tight from my experience is a plastic bag inside a metal container like a paint can. I keep as many rolls as I can in old cookie cans.and zip lock bags around the filament roll but I more rolls than cans.
I guess i need to search thrift stores for more cookie containers.
I would love to have a environmentally controlled room but not realistic.

In reality the filament has worked well for the money no real complaints . I ran off a half dozen prints last evening to real problems just needed to help the roll unwind as i went.
This is joisey it is never a DRY heat.
Tin

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

I use these with Damp-rid inside...

https://www.amazon.com/Quart-Ziploc%C2% … B00MWTJXP0

I have 4 of the largest ones with filament in them (2 ABS, 1 PLA & 1 misc) and a couple of the smaller ones that have spare parts in them. they are great. smile

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

OK heartless your rep is on the line. I ordered a set of 4 2 big  2 small. from wally world .com
tin

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

Tin Falcon wrote:

OK heartless your rep is on the line. I ordered a set of 4 2 big  2 small. from wally world .com
tin

LOL, don't forget to get the Damp-Rid to go in them, wink

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SD4 #2 - basically the same as SD4 #1 now... wink
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

I have a few pounds of industrial desiccant pack i need to run though the dehydrator.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed
Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

that should work, too. smile

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SD4 #2 - basically the same as SD4 #1 now... wink
Folgertech 2020 Kossel kit with reprinted plastics and top mounted bearing spool feed
Folgertech FT-5 - in progress... (sold the 2020 Prusa)

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

while out and about I picked up a couple refill bags of damp rid. Looks like it is basically calcium chloride aka sidewall salt. but a little research reveals it is a better desiccant.

http://www.absortech.jp/eng/downloads/ … ca-eng.pdf

tin

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

I was wondering has anyone here set up an enclosure to hold filament and desiccant to protect from moisture while printing??

should not be difficult to build  .
something like this

http://www.3ders.org//images2016/3d-printing-systems-prepares-launch-bunker-smart-filament-cartridge-kickstarter-8.jpg

tin

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Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

i swap colors far too frequently for something like that to be useful to me. If you only use 1 or 2, it may be something you might want, but me? nope.

If I simply remember to unload the hotend when I am done for the day, and put the spool away in one of the containers, I dont have any issues with moisture. Nylon is an absolute MUST to get put away when done with it. PLA & ABS, eh, I might leave them out for a couple of days at a time if I will be using them. If it isnt going to get used for a while, it gets put away

SD4 #1 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan & upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #2 - basically the same as SD4 #1 now... wink
Folgertech 2020 Kossel kit with reprinted plastics and top mounted bearing spool feed
Folgertech FT-5 - in progress... (sold the 2020 Prusa)

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The storage tubs arrived today.
two of the six latches on one of the large tubs were broken off and laying in the tubs.

And I find the boxes are not manufactured or sold by Zip LOc they are made By Iris USA.
So need to get a e mail off to them.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed
Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

yeah, definitely email them - if they were labeled as ZipLoc when you placed your order then they are illegally switching products.

We actually bought ours locally, but the store has since stopped carrying the largest ones.

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SD4 #2 - basically the same as SD4 #1 now... wink
Folgertech 2020 Kossel kit with reprinted plastics and top mounted bearing spool feed
Folgertech FT-5 - in progress... (sold the 2020 Prusa)

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if they were labeled as ZipLoc when you placed your order then they are illegally switching products.

Well not exactly the Ziploc product Brand name is owned by SC Johnson  IIRC also know as Johnson wax. SC Johnson has some sort of agreement with Iris USA  to make these boxes with the Ziplock label, Weathertight is a trade mark of Iris USA.
So these boxes are sold under the iris label the ziplock label and the Remington label.
the Boxes I received have the Ziploc label  but Ziplock customer service passed me off to Iris CS. Iris CS is not answering there phone. As they close the offices @ 4pm CST

IRIS USA, Inc.
11111 80th Ave. Pleasant Prairie, WI 53158

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Last Thursday I filled out the contact form on the Iris USA web page . No response yet. The customer service page states. Damage within 60 days of purchase is the sellers responsibility. So I probably could get a refund from Walmart.  an exchange would not be convenient.  Looks like i am on my own.  And it would be so simple to send a couple handles. I have not given up yet. But dare not hold breath. There are some things I have learned do not order mail order and get shipped to the house  . This item is added to the list.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed
Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

InlandPLA is iffy at best. Their ABS is much better, but still "meh" compared to Filastruder/Filawinder quality.
And sorry it took so long to jump in on this thread.
Here's my PLA comparison...granted, it is on separate mahines, extruder setups, and so on. But I never updated or too pics of opposite trials.

To add, the most brittle PLA I have ever used (the most brittle of all time in my case) is Proto Pasta's SS PLA as it would break even mid print. Look for my review a few posts down.
PLA is very bitchy, even with a good brand. Proto Pasta was the most notorious for breaking, but since they rely on PLA-based filament exclusively, that comparison goes out the window with other brands, especially since they focus on exotics.

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Like I said have been mosey happy with inland brand . Bottom line i need to manage storage/ Moisture control better and Probably order some filament from Makergeeks in Springfield MO.
Thanks for the input.

Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed
Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

I take for granted that I live in California. I treat my PLA just like I used to treat my ABS. I just leave it on the spool on the side of my printer until it's time for a new one : )

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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

Today  I received a response from Iris USA a small envelope with 4 blue latches .  Customer service is a live and well after all.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed
Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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Re: PLA Breaking when printer sits?

would have been nice if they had let you know they were sending them... just sayin... hmm

SD4 #1 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan & upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #2 - basically the same as SD4 #1 now... wink
Folgertech 2020 Kossel kit with reprinted plastics and top mounted bearing spool feed
Folgertech FT-5 - in progress... (sold the 2020 Prusa)

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Cant argue but having asked for Two replacement  catches a week ago and getting 4 today no complaints
I did expect an e mail response but , hey they sent the parts and it took less than two minutes to install them
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed
Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to  ED3v6 and titan extruder
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