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wire10ga wrote:

How about option 3: DePartedPrinter or Wardrr could design the mounts themselves tongue  Then they could do a consignment with Filastruder to sell the mounts in Tim's store. Win Win wink

Hahaha. If only I had the time.

I am so burned out designing parts and printing things right now for my work...3D printing is not fun when you do it 40hrs a week.

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DePartedPrinter wrote:

Hahaha. If only I had the time.

Time? Who ever has enough of that tongue

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
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wardjr wrote:

Given all this... I say Kudos to Tim for the insane amount of time and effort he puts into this community.
I would challenge anyone to find a user of this forum (and any of his other frequent stops) that hasn't learned something
from the man we all know as elmoret smile

+1

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Slicer - Simplify3D

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
Gordym wrote:

Smart business sense in this world uses the open source market to share information and designs to improve the community overall.


Smart businesses control their IP and maximize shareholder profits.

3D printing example...MakerBot

I suppose then Elon Musk isn't a smart businessman....

This is a crowd funding thing that I'm running: http://www.gofundme.com/bvi140 It's for pretty selfish reasons tongue

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One could argue that what Musk did was indeed controlling Tesla's IP. By releasing it, he basically open up all sorts of mass production everyone's going to want to use that tech, which means producing batteries for example will be cheaper since it is in much higher volume.

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So if I draw a decent mount for my workbench you'll give me a pair of v6's?

elmoret wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:

Why doesn't Filastruder just buy every printer available and design mounts for upgrades? Be a great tax write off anyways.

Short answer:
As I've explained previously, time.

Long answer:

Option 1: I do it all.

Lets say there are 10 printers we want to cover. This isn't actually that many:

SD2/3/4
SD Press
SD Workbench
Printrbot Metal
Printbot Simple
Printrbot Plus
Prusa i3
Mendel90
Lulzbot TAZ4
Rostock MAX v2

There are still a LOT of printers left out, but we'll roll with it for the sake of argument. The only printer I am familiar with is the first one. For a printer I'm unfamiliar with, I'd expect 3 full days of time spent: designing/reverse engineering, printing/mounting/firmware updates, testing/documentation.

So that's 240 hours of work. Now I also do consulting work, so I'd have to give that up for a while. My consulting work starts at $50/hour, so that would be a minimum of $12k of consulting income lost, plus depreciation value of the printers (~$10k if given away, $5k if sold). If the printers are given away or sold, additional shipping expenses are incurred, and who is at fault if the printer is damaged in shipment?

Option 2:

Give away free parts/store credit.

This takes much less than 3 days, since the end user is already very familiar with the printer at hand - and how to speak to/document for its users. If a new hotend came out, I could probably design and document a mount for it in a day for my SD3. Clearly this model works, as MacGyverX has already ended up with a free hotend as a result. Lets say everyone gets a free hotend as a result of their work. This costs me less than $80/ea, times 10.


So to recap:
Option 1 costs $17,000 - $22,000.
Option 2 costs $800.

Which one is better?

Of course I know what I'm doing.  I googled it.

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Yes, if you also do a writeup that meets E3Ds guidelines, and post to their wiki.

http://wiki.e3d-online.com/wiki/Accepta … e_Standard

Best thing would be to order the v6s. Upon posting to the wiki, PM me and I'll refund you for them.

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Hope i can get it done.  Where can i find the guidelines for the write-up?

Of course I know what I'm doing.  I googled it.

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I linked them above...

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Test one for qualification should be the ability to read the posts wink lol

(p.s.. waves everyone...)

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That was trollish.

Thanks elmoret.  I missed that link scanning through it on my phone.  I'll read it over, and get to work once my workbench gets here.  Should have a pair of v6's ordered today.  Someone has to draw the  mount for it.  I might as well try to take advantage.

Of course I know what I'm doing.  I googled it.

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parts ordered.  The guidelines seem pretty straight forward.  Not much to ask for a free set of me proof extruders.  I have yet to clog my V6 on the prusa.  Everything else would clog if I looked at it funny.

Thanks!

Of course I know what I'm doing.  I googled it.

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Excellent, looking forward to it!

(by the way, I grew up about 10 minutes away from you. small world!)

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Hardly trolling.. Statement of fact tongue I'm allowed to, been here long enough tongue
Anyway.. I don't seen it as trolling pointing out the obvious.

Have fun making your mounts!

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Indeed smile Respect

adrian wrote:

Hardly trolling.. Statement of fact tongue I'm allowed to, been here long enough tongue
Anyway.. I don't seen it as trolling pointing out the obvious.

Have fun making your mounts!

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
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Thanks to all for your contributions

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:

I saw. They missed their earnings by a small percentage. I would expect them to crush it in 2015. They are still trying to figure out how to sell 3D printers to the consumers who are still trying to figure out how to use one.

This is their audience: http://3dprint.com/40461/3d-printing-survey/

We have a long ways to go before things hit mainstream...

If you really believe that, put some money on it. January '16 100 calls are $1.60. That'd be a 20% jump from where they were a week ago.


Ha. My money is better put to use other places at this time.

https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1& … ybmAGwh6Mo

Down 56% in 6 months.