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Topic: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Thanks to collaboration of myself, Tek and Jeffery Sanders, I present the jigsaw replacement extruder mk3.

All parts are manifold and should slice cleanly and without error.

Improvements Over Mk2

  • Tensioner arm added to design, based on the file provided by Jeffery Sanders. Optimised for original bolts so that no nuts are required.

  • Mounting bosses added similar to Jeffery Sanders' redux design. Retainer added that screws onto these bosses as the basis for...

  • Accessory mounting system. Quickly attach or detach parts such as fans and dial indicator mounts. Parts are held securely and square. See dial indicator mount example in pics below.

Instructions

Print all parts at 50% fill or greater for strength.

Tensioner arm may require extra perimeters to eliminate gaps.

Dial indicator mount has 8mm diameter opening to suit my gauge. Modify the SketchUp file to suit your own.

Parts can be found here:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40711/

Instructions for printing and assembly can be followed from the previous thread:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/588/jigs … ement-mk2/

Only change is screwing on retainer if you are fitting accessories and printing tensioner arm if you wish to omit all original acrylic jigsaw parts.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5720/jigsawreplacementmk3.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2332/dialindicatormount.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/613/dialindicatorinplace.jpg

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Great design. That opens up the area where filament breaks when you have a jam making it much easier to clear. You could almost add something at the top to attach a PTFE tube to it so you could load filament with the case on. This is much easier to work with than the existing Jigsaw. I will definately print one!

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Lawsy - I have a question for you, and this seems like a suitable place for it.

I'd like the ability to detect when filament has broken or run out. I'm thinking we could just mount a limit switch on top of the jigsaw replacement, so the filament being present kept it depressed. If the filament runs out, the printer pauses and moves away from the print, possibly killing extruder heat while it waits for more filament.

Any ideas? Useful? Not? I know you're more familiar with the firmware than most of us here.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Take that cover plate I designed (not yet updated for mk3) and mod it so it has end stop mounted where the bar is depressed by normal filament movements and will pop up off when not depressed; it should touche as the filament moves down between  the top part and drive screw and pop up when it is gone to stop the printer...I am sure we are visualizing the same thing and I think it is a good idea, but it would take custom firmware for sure also to send a full emergency stop.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Hmmm.   Filament detector...

There is this thing out now called the Makey Makey which allows you to connect ANYTHING and make it trigger a keystroke or mouse click.

put a switch or optical switch on the top of the extruder, connect to makeymakey and make it trigger a mouse click.  then hover your cursor over the PAUSE button on your Pronterface control panel...

Even easier - and probably smarter - would be to use the same switch to control a relay that if the filament ran out, it would automatically power down the printer - and thus kill power to the extruder and bed.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

GoolGaul wrote:

Even easier - and probably smarter - would be to use the same switch to control a relay that if the filament ran out, it would automatically power down the printer - and thus kill power to the extruder and bed.

The problem with this is that you lose the print.

In repetier, can you pause from a keystroke?

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

GoolGaul wrote:

Hmmm.   Filament detector...

There is this thing out now called the Makey Makey which allows you to connect ANYTHING and make it trigger a keystroke or mouse click.

put a switch or optical switch on the top of the extruder, connect to makeymakey and make it trigger a mouse click.  then hover your cursor over the PAUSE button on your Pronterface control panel...

Even easier - and probably smarter - would be to use the same switch to control a relay that if the filament ran out, it would automatically power down the printer - and thus kill power to the extruder and bed.

This would certainly be the easiest one to implement, and the opto switch should be more reliable in this case and not make filament dust.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

I always figured that the easiest and most reliable approach would be to monitor the rotation of the pressure bearing: if it is not turning, the filament is not feeding, whether because it is absent or because there is a filament divot or because the hot end has clogged.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Good point Jon...it is not so much a situation where it needs to turn off only when the filament is missing, but equally important to stop in the event of a clog.  A opto-sensor would be ideal, just add a little encoder wheel  so you can provide input to the FW  about the idler wheel position; if moving during x seconds/ms operate as normal / if not pause the print. (must have removed 5+ or so from a busted Canon printer so I have the disc and opto-sensors already)  Can we use the serial interface (I am thinking we can) to add another sensor input to the Sang board?

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The only problem with that idea is with dual extrusion down the road. You may go most of a print without using one of the extruders. I'm sure most wont attempt it, but then again people who add this idea would probably be the first to try dual extrusion. Not to shift the subject too far, but that also makes me wonder if, when attempting dual extrusion, the gcode allows the heaters to be turned off and back on when it estimates a break of more than a few minutes for one of the extruders?  If that is possible, then the encoder idea would work and would only be active if the extruder is above a certain temp I would guess.

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Or "merge" or "add" the encoder outputs: as long as one of the encoders is producing output, you're good to go...

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Since this thread deals with disassembling and reassembling the cold end (and I've just done that to install the Mk 2 jigsaw replacement) this seemed like a good place to ask: How much force do you want the tensioner arm to be applying?

With the default arrangement of my acrylic jigsaw it was applying enough force that the gear was leaving pretty deep and clear marks on the filament, and getting sort of filled with ABS dust after a while (which I'm assuming was far too tight).

With the replacement I've got it screwed down enough that it's leaving small indentations in the surface but not clear bites like before. Is that enough? Should I aim for deeper indents? None at all?

I suppose part of the answer is "play with it and see what gives you the best prints" but since everyone here must have played with it at some point (if you installed the Mk 2 or 3 replacement) I figured I'd get your suggestions so less playing is required.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Has anyone had issues with the extruder motor missing steps with this jigsaw replacement?

EDIT: fixed it. Had to move the extruder gear a bit on the stepper shaft to like it up better with the bearing.

EDIT2: Nope, still skipping. Sigh.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Here is a DI Mount for the common US found Pittsburgh branded Harbor Freight product.

I can't get the Arm from this pkg to print either, but I will try again slow and by itself... haven't noticed any skipping. (I still have my idler-arm on the printer, but I needed to print a new base...as I messed up the first one testing random ideas)

**Fixed small problem where the back of the DI lightly hits the motor shaft.**

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Can you post some file types other than .stl smile? If you have them, that is.

I have trouble editing .stl  with inventor
I also downloaded sketchup so I could probably use .skp, as I think you've released in the past as .skp.



I'd like to modify the file to made feeding guides along the top and bottom of the extruder gribber.  You have one on the base piece, but it could be a little taller, and none above. With them, (especially the bottom one) it helps reduce the filament from bending.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

Holy crap Lawsy thank you for making this. I'm currently attempting to ziptie my extruder together after the acrylic that retains the head of the tensioning screw shattered this morning. If I can figure out a way to keep tension on the filament long enough to print this I should be back in business. Thanks for hopefully saving me from disaster.

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Re: Jigsaw Replacement mk3

chuk, lawsy released a mk4 over here:
http://www.soliforum.com/post/12398

you can use the original acrylic tension arm on these, so that is 1 less part you need to print.

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I used 3 for some reason I think the quick disconnect was scary for some reason. I managed to ziptie everything in place long enough to get a reasonably nice mk3 printed. The bottom piece is kinda wonky so I'll print the mk4 while it's working again.

It should also be noted that when I was disassembling the original solidoodle acrylic it came out in many many more parts than there should have been. Most of the second and third plate was destroyed for some reason. I'm thinking it was either way over torqued or collisions with the heated bed may have put undue strain in the acrylic. Either way if you're still running a factory acrylic setup print a backup just in case.