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Topic: Folger Technology Kits

Has anyone here purchased and assembled a Folgers technology  3d Printer kit. Wondering about the quality of the parts.

I know these are not high end kits and are ramps based. and looks like no led control or sd card support. Nice to have but i expect easily added.
I was looking at there prusa i3 kit  but I have a sd 4 so likely a step down . but then noticed a Kossel  delta kit for $ 399 with all metal hot end. the only challenge is cutting the round glass. doable. 
And I know these are open  fram printers so are limited to PLA unless I build an enclosure.
the one down side I have heard is poor no documentation on assembly but these are OS so I am sure someone had a good set of instructions.
As far as skills I am trained as a machinist have worked as a craftsman in various areas work with electronics and have built a couple cnc machines. And I have been working with and on a SD4 for almost 6 months.
these kits ship from USA  but I expect imported from mainland China.
so thoughts experiences  and coments welcome.
TIA
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
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I've been looking at the same printer for a few weeks now, if anyone else has any input I'd really like to know. But as of right now I'm planning on buying this printer soon.

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I have not ordered any kits from them but did get a bunch of components and they are quite nice.  If you decide to get the delta printer kit and need help assembling I can provide assistance.

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Tin Falcon wrote:

Has anyone here purchased and assembled a Folgers technology  3d Printer kit. Wondering about the quality of the parts.

I know these are not high end kits and are ramps based. and looks like no led control or sd card support. Nice to have but i expect easily added.
I was looking at there prusa i3 kit  but I have a sd 4 so likely a step down . but then noticed a Kossel  delta kit for $ 399 with all metal hot end. the only challenge is cutting the round glass. doable. 
And I know these are open  fram printers so are limited to PLA unless I build an enclosure.
the one down side I have heard is poor no documentation on assembly but these are OS so I am sure someone had a good set of instructions.
As far as skills I am trained as a machinist have worked as a craftsman in various areas work with electronics and have built a couple cnc machines. And I have been working with and on a SD4 for almost 6 months.
these kits ship from USA  but I expect imported from mainland China.
so thoughts experiences  and coments welcome.
TIA
Tin


I have ordered the Kossel kit and expecting it next week or following week. They have a ten day lead time as they claim they fabricate and pack the parts themselves. They claim everything that can be is US made. I will be putting t he RAMPS in my Da Vinci. Instead I have an Azteeg X5 mine with a VIKI 2 LCD interface that is actually designed for a delta going in instead. This board will be running Smoothieware. It comes with with an aluminum build plate that actually works better with PLA than glass. So why you would want to cut glass is beyond me.

When I get the kit and go through it, I will give you some feedback as this will be my second kit to build. My other was a 3D Stuffmaker Evolution.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

5 (edited by Tin Falcon 2015-01-31 13:27:09)

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They claim everything that can be is US made.

Thanks good info to know. I did not see that.

So why you would want to cut glass is beyond me.

On the recommendation of a friend/acquaintance that is a 3d printer and filament dealer I use glass. I have been using it for 6 months and it works well for me.

I have ordered the Kossel kit and expecting it next week or following week.

Great looking forward to the results of the build.


Since I have posted this thread I Downloaded . the assembly  manual for the Kossel and the prusa I3 . 
the manuals look pretty decent. The kossel definitely seems better built than the I3. the kossel has linear slides rather than rods and the linear bearings on the I3 appear to be lashed to the platform with wire ties. HMM.
Anyway back to the delta. I have read some on line threads and articles about delta printer
DOWN side is inconsistent  results depending on where  you are on the build plate. Not sure if this is a issue of build quality IE improper arm length or inconsistent arm length or a software issue I know the math is more complicated with deltas. Also the seem to have a reputation for harder to calibrate and maintain. These are not a good choice for a bed full of small parts.

ADVANTAGES  smaller footprint. faster print speeds  due to lighter  print head.  Fun to watch. well suited to vase and bottle shaped objects.
Thanks for the info.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
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I just purchased the Folger Prusa I3 yesterday instead of the Delta because this will be my first 3d printer build and I didn't think I would be able to do a delta style with ease just yet. Should be delivered mid-late Feb. and I'll post as I get it and start getting it working. There are a lot of videos on youtube about this printer and how to build the kit so I'm not too nervous about that.

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Looking at the assembly institutions the delta almost looks easier to build. But I have read harder to calibrate.
I cant quite wrap my head around the math that makes the delta work . The Cartesian plane I understand. 
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
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Tin Falcon wrote:

Looking at the assembly institutions the delta almost looks easier to build. But I have read harder to calibrate.
I cant quite wrap my head around the math that makes the delta work . The Cartesian plane I understand. 
Tin

Polar coordinates aren't so bad. Instead of (x, y) coordinates, everything is described as (r, theta), where r is the distance from the origin and theta is the angle from the horizontal. Check out this for more information. If you know the pythagorean theorem, you can understand polar coordinates: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/ … nates.aspx

Think of it this way. In cartesian coordinates, y = x describes a line. In polar coordinates, r = theta describes a circle.

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I was a little nervous about the Prusa build but after watching some videos on youtube about people building the exact same printer kit I feel a lot more confident. If the Prusa build goes well I might try the Kossel next.

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Jag thanks for the link. Looks like i may need to brush up on the math.  I did take  algebra trig and 3 semesters of calculus in college.  Not sure how much I remember.
I took a look at your link probably need to bookmark it. The pythagorean theorem is one formula I know by heart.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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So  I guess it's time for an update. I got the kit in Friday and unpacked it. Checked all the parts over for damage and everything looked fine. The general packaging was OK. So I began building it. Note it does not come with instructions. You will need to download those from the link on the Ebay auction page.

With that said, the frame went together pretty good. Seems some parts changed and was not updated in the manual. Things like the bearings say flanged but they are flat. They still work. Built the head a gantry, cutting carbon fiber tube is an itchy process. I would advise you to cut them slightly long by about a mm. You can then sand it down to the exact size.

You can always take away, but you can never add more.

Got the rails installed and mounted the gantry. Starting working on electronics like endstops and this is where a problem arose. The screws they supply for mounting stuff to the T slots with T nuts are 8mm. The switches are mounted to clear acrylic pieces that are rather thick. The screws are too short and let them know about it so hopefully they will amend the kits. I had 10mm screws I bought at Home Depot for another project and they where perfect. You will need about 20 of them.

The next issue was the extruder motor mount. Again with acrylic you have to remove to of the back screws on the motor and replaced them the two 45mm screws from the kit to accommodate the thickness of the acrylic.  Well my two screws seemed to have escaped from my kit. Luckily again I had screws from a previous build I could use.

So now I am doing the wring and will let you guys know more once I get ready to power it up and load the firmware and calibrate it.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Can you post some pictures also? smile

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I got my prusa i3 kit yesterday and got the frame put together and some of the x carriage, up until I realized that I was missing a m3 x 18mm screw. I am no expert machinist and this is the first 3d printer kit i'll be putting together, and so far it's been fairly easy and fun. They have a google drive with some videos and PDF files that show you how to put it together. Those along with a youtube video someone posted about building this same kit are really all you need to get a grasp on which pieces go where.

Going to the hardware store tonight to grab some screws and start building again.

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Totally finished building! It was fun, about 3-4 hours every night for 3 nights and a few hours in the daytime and I have finished the Folger Tech Prusa i3 build. There are a lot of extra pieces, and also, some missing pieces, or just miss counted. I needed a few more m3x18mm screws then they give you. 2 extra bearings, most people mention using these to build a filament holder, but one of mine broke and spilled the metal balls all over so I'll just replace that.

Other things to note, you will have to solder the wires to the heating bed, not very difficult, but worried me because I don't have much experience soldering. Soldered it on without a problem. You need to strip a lot of wires, so a wire cutter/stripper is a must, I didn't have one so I used a pair of scissors and it worked fine. Also, a crimping tool will be needed to crimp the wires from the thermistors to connect to the RAMPS. Again, I didn't have a pair but made do with some pliers and a lot of patience and care. You will need a voltmeter to check power from the board to the motors, no easy way around this. Other than that you just need a file/sandpaper to file/sand a few things down so they fit better.

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Also, after reading up on the reprap forum which has a thread about this exact kit(http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?4,405576), I found out that you HAVE TO HOME all the axis first thing, every time. Otherwise I could get the axis to move in one direction but not the other. Also, and I'm sure all of you know this already, but you have to use a length of wire to extend the wires from the fan so that they'll reach the ramps board. Well, and I'm sure some of you can guess, I did this and since I didn't have any electrical tape i thought, "Hey, just move the wires out of the way and I'm sure they'll never touch." Well they did touch and shorted the fan out, which I didn't notice until my extruder jammed from being too hot. Got it all fixed and cleaned out but just a heads up every one, especially if you're a beginner like me, take your time and do it right!

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Wow I did not realize that I have been pondering getting a FT kit for over a year..
Last week I talked to them on the phone then placed an order. This morning stopped in on them , chatted a bit picked up my kit  and a few add ons and left a box of donuts at the front desk.
They seem like great people and eager to provide tech support something lacking in current business practices.
I went with the I3  2020 kit. Plan on installing an ED3 on it. Now eager to open the package and get started.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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Lots of upgrades for the 2020 already. Have fun!

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yup, lots of upgrades available for the 2020 Prusa.

I have both that one and the Rev B kossel. Both are decent for the money, but always room for improvement. wink

here are a few "goodies" to get you going: http://www.thingiverse.com/heartless/co … a-upgrades

use the low-profile version of the Y axis belt tensioner - a perfect fit on the 2020 Prusa

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Yes a few extra things purchased three of the aluminum bearing holders for the y axis that mount under the bed . I will probably put a piece of insulation under the heat bed. I purchased the optional 2004 display /sd card holder. Also a extruder heat since and the needed ceramic pot adjusting tool. I will take a look at the link. I love the support and encouragement of the folks from this forum.

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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After a long weekend the I3 2020 is almost completed and working . A few glitches but mostly successful. And probably a few bugs to work out.  it is together . The firmware installed all axes moving the heaters heat etc. the extruder is sitting on the bed. And the lcd needs a case and needs installation .

Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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nice work, Tin. We need to see some pics of it now. wink

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SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
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Like I said some bugs  to work out getting the end stops to work etc  i looked at the  step settings in the firmware via rh a lot of zeros and red blocks. Hmm  building just half the fun another week to tweak.???
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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FWIW, we have had ours for nearly a year (hardly use it) - did some upgrades recently and I am right back at the beginning again with futzing with the endstop settings... tongue
It is actually on hold right now while I get the #2 SD4 sorted out with the board change...i hate doing wiring... ugh.

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
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OHHH Myyy FT has sold a thousand of these things you would think the bugs would be worked out by now.
Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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yeah, you would think so, but for some reason it hasnt been.. seems the documentation doesnt get updated quite as often or as well as it should be.
we had the mirroring issue initially - found the fix for that in the reprap forums (there is a thread specific to the FT 2020 over there) but that thread is huge - took a fair amount of digging to find the info needed. I had it bookmarked back then, but have since changed computers - and forgot to save my bookmarks tongue

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1