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Topic: Need help with homing problems

I'm trying to get a RAMPS set up on an Ord Bot going and have hit a brick wall on getting it to go to the home position.

Going into the controller, I get movement on x, y and z using the positioning tool. I "think" I have the endstops figured out. The LED comes on when the switch is depressed, which as close as I can tell is what it's supposed to do. In the course of troubleshooting, I tried the x motor in the filament slot, hit load and it zipped around just fine. The problem doesn't appear to be in the motors or stepper drivers.

The problem is when I try to home all or any axis, I get hums and whines, but nothing moves, or moves only a little bit after humming and whining.

There's a small outfit that's been building Ord Bots and I'm using that firmware, with a virtually identical set up. I've used the same firmware on another machine without any problems.

I'm stumped. It ought to zip over to the endstops to find the home position and stop, but it won't.

A little help would be appreciated and it would be doubly appreciated in layman's terms. TIA.

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Re: Need help with homing problems

Check this topic about 2/3 of the way down...sounds similar...

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/7184/mod … d-10-x-10/

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Re: Need help with homing problems

IronMan wrote:

Check this topic about 2/3 of the way down...sounds similar...

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/7184/mod … d-10-x-10/

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, what I'm experiencing seems to be somewhat different from what you described. No matter where the nozzle is positioned, it just stays in the same spot when I try homing. It makes noise like it wants to go someplace, but just stays stuck. For lack of a better explanation, it's kind of like hitting the gas with the transmission in park.

I'm using the endstops that came with the kit. It crossed my mind that maybe they're not compatible with the firmware I have installed, but I don't know why that would be, or if that could be the problem. It also crossed my mind that maybe the board is bad, but don't know much about how reliable those things are. Are they pretty much idiot proof, or prone to defects. I don't know.

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Re: Need help with homing problems

Sent you a PM with my firmware settings to check against yours...

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Re: Need help with homing problems

IronMan wrote:

Sent you a PM with my firmware settings to check against yours...

Thanks. I've been racking my brain trying to puzzle this out and it's double tough in my not being familiar with the whole code writing thing. I've found several firmware builders online, but they don't seem to be getting me where I need to go.

As I mentioned in the first post, I can move along an axis using the controller. I don't think that'd be possible if adjustment on the pots was too far off. Something I noticed today while fooling around with it is when I do that, there's a note on the screen "endstops disabled". I went through the code I'm using to see what settings were used for endstops. The min endstop settings are all set to "true" for whether or not the endstops are "inverted".

I have no clue what is meant by "inverted" in that context. Is it a reference to "normally open" or "normally closed", as in being able to switch from one to the other?

The endstops that came with the kit are some sort of oddball units that I haven't seen anywhere else. They fit in the channels and the switch is alligned to be triggered when a nut rolls over it. I like the setup because it makes for a clean installation, without the need for additional mounting brackets, etc. It has 3 pins labled "Vcc", "gnd", and "out". Unfortunately, I've yet to find any source that translates that into "NC", "C", etc.

I'm thinking the problem is somehow related to the endstops, but I don't know for sure. At the moment I'm thinking I should just order some garden variety endstops to see if they'll work with the firmware I'm using.

Sheesh, I've had the printer itself all put together for months, but the software side of it has been an absolute nightmare.

I've about come to the conclusion that "open source" is just about the worst possible thing that could have happened to the 3D printing industry. If it was anything else, you'd just pay a few bucks for a preconfigured hex file on a CD and you'd be good to go in thirty seconds. Unfortunately, the dog in the manger geek types have pretty well managed to put up a complete roadblock to widespread adaptation of the technology because the learning curve to programming the muttering things is too steep for the typical consumer. Mutter. Mutter. Mutter. Grrrr.....

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Re: Need help with homing problems

If open source is too difficult to figure out, buy a Ultimaker. Simple as that.

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Re: Need help with homing problems

My endstops came pre-wired and I just plugged them into the RAMPS board...but they were bare switches which no brackets which I had to design and print out.

I'm afraid I don't know enough about the true nature of Disabling or Inverting endstops, etc to advise you further with any confidence...

But check out this thread and scroll down to the Banthafodder April 18, 2012 04:20PM post:

http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?146,125056

My advice is to just keep researching and trying and you will get it...if it was easy everyone would be doing it.

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Re: Need help with homing problems

elmoret wrote:

If open source is too difficult to figure out, buy a Ultimaker. Simple as that.

Hey Elmo,

I reported your post to the moderators as follows:

"Why do you allow this rude jerk to keep using your forums? His sole reason for being here is to pitch his own worthless products and he is universally rude to everyone who isn't interested in buying the worthless junk he sells. I've yet to see a single post of his that contributes ANYTHING to ANY conversation. Most of the people interested in participating in your forums dump it rather quickly because a handful of bad actors are too obnoxious to tolerate.

Why don't you clean up your site and 86 this fool?"

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@Don9mm,

First, elmoret IS a Moderator on this board.

Second, if I recall, you were the one who was very rude and unappreciative in the past to the likes of Wardjr and elmoret while they were trying to help you.  You then fell silent for a long time until the other day.  I decided to give you a shot helping you out thinking you may have changed your style.  I guess I was wrong.

Too bad...

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Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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Re: Need help with homing problems

Don9mm wrote:

"Why do you allow this rude jerk to keep using your forums?

Rude? You said something was too hard to figure out, "learning curve too steep", so I suggested an alternative. Not sure how that is rude?

Don9mm wrote:

His sole reason for being here is to pitch his own worthless products

I was here on the forums long before the Filastruder was even a thought, much less a product. In fact, it was demand from other forum users that caused me to launch it on Kickstarter. I originally had no plans of producing them at all.

Your attitude is not constructive. There's a very good reason not many people have hopped into this thread to assist. Many of the people you call "drunks in their mothers basements" and "dog[s] in the manger" are your fellow forum users, who have contributed significantly to the current hobbyist 3D printer market. You would be well served to drop the insults and show some appreciation.

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Re: Need help with homing problems

elmoret wrote:
Don9mm wrote:

"Why do you allow this rude jerk to keep using your forums?

Rude? You said something was too hard to figure out, "learning curve too steep", so I suggested an alternative. Not sure how that is rude?

Don9mm wrote:

His sole reason for being here is to pitch his own worthless products

I was here on the forums long before the Filastruder was even a thought, much less a product. In fact, it was demand from other forum users that caused me to launch it on Kickstarter. I originally had no plans of producing them at all.

Your attitude is not constructive. There's a very good reason not many people have hopped into this thread to assist. Many of the people you call "drunks in their mothers basements" and "dog[s] in the manger" are your fellow forum users, who have contributed significantly to the current hobbyist 3D printer market. You would be well served to drop the insults and show some appreciation.

+1
Just because we don't always like the answers we get.  That doesn't make it bad advice or a rude comment.

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