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Re: E3D releases v6 - their latest all-metal hotend

I've updated the Thing address to add a link to Lawsy's MK5 until I finally remember to add the filament guide and tension arm...hopefully tonight

EDIT: Filament guide and tension arm (credit to Lawsy) have been added.

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I just updated the files on page one for the v6 mount and added the lawsy's filament guide and tension arm.

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Thanks to all for your contributions

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I got my E3D V6 yesterday and here are some of my impressions.

I was able to assemble everything fine from the video instructions.  I was very paranoid about damaging the thermistor because I had never done that before, but I was able to get it installed well enough.  I might order another the next time I get something from filastruder because I could stand to clean up the wiring and make the heat shrink neater.

I got wardjr's V6 mount printed before starting, I used 0.2mm layers and 100% infill.  After finishing the installation, I tried a test print.  After about 8 frustating tries, I was never able to get more than a minute to two into the print before the filament would jam at the top of the hot end and start curling between the hot end and the extruder drive gear.  Everything was right in my installation, so I figured I need to cut a piece of the PTFE (luckily, I got the bowden version) and mount it between the drive gear and the hot end.  This seems to have solved this problem.  Tip: the PTFE needs to go all the way down into the heat sink.  Remove your tension arm, slide it down into the heat sink as far as it will go and use a knife to cut it very close to the gear.

The E3D V6 hot end is running like a champ!  However, I am getting some significant wobble in the mount.  It is firm along the X axis but wobbles along the Y.  That being said, it is still very usable and I am getting decent prints but there is room for improvement.  Here is my first test print: (imgur because I still can't figure out how to post pics in the thread).

http://mdrvb6.imgur.com/all/

Wardjr, thanks for the mount.  Since you are welcoming feedback... I think we need a version that has a locking arm.  I think the corners could be just a little sharper and this might be helped with a firmer mount that has a locking arm.  There is visible wobble in the hot end with every retraction.  I know I got a good print of the mount so I don't see any issue there.  Tip: mount the hot end in the mount before screwing it into the extruder motor or carriage.  It needs that little bit of bend to get it there and taking it on/ off while it is in the mount seems to wear the "snapping" edge, leading to more wobble. 

Personally, I'm looking for a mount that will hold the hot end in with two screws with trapped nuts.  I know that is a  lot of stuff to cram into a small space but I think it would be the best way to go. 

Here's a thanks to filastruder for quick shipping.  I ordered it on a Tuesday with priority mail and had it by Friday.  Next up is a T-glase test and continued searching for other mount options.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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Instructions specifically discuss the PTFE:

http://e3d-online.com/E3D-v6-Assembly

These steps apply only to 1.75mm Direct, 1.75mm Bowden, and 3mm Bowden users. 3mm Direct does not use any PTFE tubing.
The tubing should be inserted from the top of the now assembled hotend and pushed as far down into the hotend as possible.

1.75mm direct and 1.75mm bowden both come with PTFE, so it wasn't a matter of being lucky you bought the bowden. The bowden version just comes with more. The video is unofficial and only covers the basic assembly, not attaching to printer.

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Also your images are set to private, and to embed you simply put the (picture, not album) URL inside [i mg] [/i mg] tags (remove the space).

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Gotcha, I didn't read the instructions, just went off the video.  Good to know you are giving sections of PTFE even with the non- bowden orders.  Imgur is now set to public.  Here is the main image:

http://i.imgur.com/BHKl3ew.jpg

I will eventually add some connectors, I just wanted to get it running for now.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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I added the .skp to the original post so feel free to change anything you want.  As far as locking arms and wobble I am guessing your printer failed to produce a dimensionally accurate part.  Since I haven't even looked at my v6 (still in box) I just really can't say.
When I go to print one I will do it at .3 and 100% fill as I can see no value in a .2 layer height.  I am sure there's room for improvement or even a total redesign.  Since I run a Bulldog XL on my main printer and my spare printer is happily running a v5 I have no real motivation to make changes (other life priorities) right now smile

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
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Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: E3D releases v6 - their latest all-metal hotend

Sometimes you get lucky with a simple solution!  Here is a picture, explanation follows:

http://i.imgur.com/pO6jeSX.jpg

I was looking at alternative mounts and I remembered this one by Boz:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:178102

I realized that this mount will in fact fit the E3D V6, but I didn't like how the bottom is two pieces that make it stick out further and you have to go into the comments to get a version that would work with the lawsy carriages that I and many others here use.  Well, it turns out that if you print his mount, there is a small piece at the bottom of the main piece that will fit the opening on ward's mount.  I have separated this piece and attached it to this post.  Print it. 

Then take ward's mount and test fit the holding bracket into it.  You will see that it almost perfectly fits, and a sharp knife can take off the small corner that conflicts, just be careful.  You will need a decently long M3 screw for the right side of the bracket because it goes all the way thru into the extruder motor, but luckily I had several laying around.  Then take your drill and drill a pilot hole slightly smaller than an M3 screw into the left side of ward's mount where the bracket lines up.  You must make it smaller than the threads because there is no nut or threaded hole on the other side so the threads of your screw need to grip the plastic.

Assemble everything and you will see that it is ROCK SOLID with absolutely no wobble!  It is somewhat tedious to assemble because the bottom piece has to go on at the same time as the hot end but it was worth the hassle. It will probably not last for many insertions and removals due to the screw threaded into plastic on the left, so I am going to print some spares. 

If someone wants to try and make an extended bracket that will go all the way thru to the left screw on the extruder body, that would be great. I will attempt that and also try to make the slight mod to ward's mount and get a seperate .stl of the bracket over the next few days, but I'm not in too much of a hurry for now since it does work as is.

I've got the 5 mm test steps printing now and I will post before and after pics.  Enjoy, and let me know if anyone else has other ideas for how to mount the E3D V6!

EDIT: attached a .stl for the bracket I am using, in case anyone wants it.

Edit 2: tinkercad link in case anyone wants to try and extend the bracket to reach the left extruder body screw.  I can't figure it out.
https://www.tinkercad.com/things/lRQMLH … -base/edit

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Can you buy the modded MK5 that works with the V6 from your store? I need 2 new v5 parts and I was considering just upgrading to v6 but I can't print out the Modded MK5 for the E3Dv6 since my printer is down.

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

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I don't have any printed, no - and I'll be away from my printer the next 4 days anyway.

I think you can flip a standard MK5 upside down to print long enough to get the mk5 wardjr remix printed.

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His supplier has been slacking wink

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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I have ordered the V6 since AZERATE has offered to send me the mount I need. The biggest reason I want to update is because of that the temp sensor that no longer needs to be taped on.

I didn't notice last night that the E3Dv6 was out of stock. Well it seems to only be a week or so out.

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

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i am having great difficuly in getting the nozzle to fit without bending the mount piece.  It is strange because the holes that are for the screws connecting into the stepper motor align perfectly. ive taken a caliper to it and the dia of the circle on the mount that locks the hot end into place is 11.54 whilst the hot end itself is at 12mm. i could try and print it at a larger scale but then im just gonna run into problems with the stepper screws.

Does anyone have the mount as a solidworks file? be so handy cause then i can just modify and reprint. otherwise gonna have to measure the whole mount and build from scratch

SD2 - mirror bed - e3d v6 - extruder cooling fan - no enclosure.

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Put the v6 in before you mount it to the motor.  You could also lower your extrusion multiplier slightly.  The .skp is posted earlier in this thread so you could just change it in sketch-up.

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Thanks to all for your contributions

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proctor_richard wrote:

i am having great difficuly in getting the nozzle to fit without bending the mount piece.  It is strange because the holes that are for the screws connecting into the stepper motor align perfectly. ive taken a caliper to it and the dia of the circle on the mount that locks the hot end into place is 11.54 whilst the hot end itself is at 12mm. i could try and print it at a larger scale but then im just gonna run into problems with the stepper screws.

Does anyone have the mount as a solidworks file? be so handy cause then i can just modify and reprint. otherwise gonna have to measure the whole mount and build from scratch

This probably means you are over extruding. Have you calibrated your printer?

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yes i have but i will recheck my calibrations tonight with feed rate and wall thickness checks

SD2 - mirror bed - e3d v6 - extruder cooling fan - no enclosure.

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Okay, I have finally designed, printed and tested a version of the mount that uses a bracket to hold the hot end extremely tightly and eliminates all wobble.  Here it is, I welcome any feedback.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:431363/#files

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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E3D's released a new mini-product:

http://e3d-online.com/image/cache/data/components/BoDapter1.75_1000px-500x500.jpg

It lets you use direct drive extruders (like the Solidoodle one) as bowden units.

Not really worth a new thread, but wanted folks to know about it. You can pick one up in the Filastruder store:

http://www.filastruder.com/products/gro … en-adaptor

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Hey Tim, do you have any inside info on whether E3D will be updating the Kraken to the v6 style therm/heater spec?

This is a crowd funding thing that I'm running: http://www.gofundme.com/bvi140 It's for pretty selfish reasons tongue

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I don't know, but I can ship then with v6 parts upon request.

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elmoret wrote:

I don't know, but I can ship then with v6 parts upon request.

Excellent! big_smile
I may get on that in the not too distant future.

This is a crowd funding thing that I'm running: http://www.gofundme.com/bvi140 It's for pretty selfish reasons tongue

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Great, I will be trying this out this weekend.  Thanks!

mdrVB6 wrote:

Okay, I have finally designed, printed and tested a version of the mount that uses a bracket to hold the hot end extremely tightly and eliminates all wobble.  Here it is, I welcome any feedback.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:431363/#files