1 (edited by lawsy 2013-03-23 11:52:03)

Topic: Heated Bed Upgrade - Guide with Pics/Comparisons/STLs

Hi all,

been wanting to finalise and post this for a few weeks, but been very busy on the weekends. Slowly getting it up now.

Problems with the Standard Heated Bed

The main issue is the immense amount of time needed to heat the bed to a temperature acceptable for ABS adhesion. My printer was taking 10-15mins to reach 95 from cold, and I found I was leaving it on between prints to avoid waiting again. This meant for a 'printing' day at home, it would be sitting at ~100 degrees all day, not good for power bills or the environment.

Others have had problems with warped beds or screws sitting up proud, but mine was always fine.

Wiring and connectors are also an issue for both the bed and hot end, and I recommend upgrading them asap. I like these connectors, and recommend using something like them even if you are not upgrading:

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PT4452

Power Supply Issues with Upgrading

The standard power supply can deliver about 10 amps maximum, with many bed upgrades drawing more than this. It is, therefore, important that the power supply is upgraded when upgrading the bed. A QU-BD silicone bed needs 12 amps, and others may need more. It's recommended that when upgrading you over-engineer and get a power supply that easily exceeds your needs.

I used a 12V version of the Makerbot Replicator power supply (which is 24V):

http://www.meanwell.com/search/gs220/default.htm

It wasn't cheap, but it had a tidy appearance and delivers a reliable 15A if needed. I've been using it for some months now and have had zero problems.

Sanguinololu PCB Problems

The next weakest link in the power supply system is the Sanguinololu board, which some pundits describe as underdone in the design of the heated bed traces. Some users install a solid state relay to switch on an upgraded bed to avoid drawing the greater current through the PCB, but I found it easier to make a couple of modifications to the board.

1. Jumper leads:

To beef up the capacity of the stock board, jumper wires were soldered as shown below. The MOSFET that switches the current is rated very high, so adding the jumper wires fixes the issue of too higher current and the board potentially overheating.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6553/02jumperleads.jpg

2. Upgraded terminals:

The terminals are also rubbish on the Sanguinololu. I upgraded the power supply and heated bed terminals at the same time to more robust units. Once again, just some quick soldering to remove the old and install the new.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.as … ATID=991#1
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.as … ATID=991#1
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=HM3130

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8770/01newterminals.jpg


Selecting an Upgraded Bed

For this thread I've tested three solutions:

1. 'New' Solidoodle heated pad as fitted to newer models.
2. QU-BD 150mm silicone bed. http://store.qu-bd.com/product.php?id_product=36
3. Home made custom heated PCB: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:65033/

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9388/16customheatedpcb.jpg

Each were tested in the same way to make comparisons fair. The areas tested were:

-Speed of heating
-Distribution of heat across surface
-Ease of fitment

The following image depicts the setup I used for each. A thermistor was taped to the top of a sheet of glass and used for each test. This meant that the readings were directly comparable, and the thermistor built into the Solidoodle an QU-BD pads were not used. The same aluminium bed was kept in place for each test for consistency too. This and the glass were cooled between tests to the same low level.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1130/05testingsetup.jpg


Comparison 1: Speed of Heating

Straight 12V DC was applied to each heater to avoid PID or firmware issues, and the graph comparing the units is seen below. The Solidoodle replacement pad seems just as slow as the original heater block. In the graph the thermistor table was under reading by ~20 degrees C (but the same for all solutions), but I still gave up waiting for it to heat all the way to printing temp. The custom PCB and QU-BD pad are very similar and so far superior to the standard units it's ludicrous. In practice, heating up the bed is a few minute job, instead of a quarter of an hour. Note the similar curve in temperature due to the less than ideal QU-BD thermistor table I found googling.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5071/04threewaygraph.jpg

Comparison 2: Distribution of Heat Across Surface

An infra-red laser thermometer was used to sample the temperature in the centre, half way out, and the corner of the glass. Whilst this may not be perfect, it was very consistent and fair. Temperatures are expressed as percentages of the centre reading to make comparisons easier.

The caveat here for the Solidoodle pad is that it stops considerably short of the aluminium bed edge, meaning no direct heating takes place on the edges. The QU-BD pad and custom PCB both match the bed size. The custom PCB was designed to have less heat in the centre by spacing the traces further apart in this area. Earlier iterations of the design were poor in this regard. The QU-BD pad still wins here, with more consistent heat distribution.

Tiny Solidoodle pad:

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7070/09solidoodlepad.jpg

Heater             Centre          Half-way          Edge
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Solidoodle        100%           93%                 51%
QU-BD             100%           96%                 72%
Custom PCB        100%           94%                 67%

Comparison 3: Ease of Fitment

Obviously the Solidoodle solution requires no fitment, so trumps the others here. When I ordered a replacement aluminium bed, it came with the heating pad and insulation already in place. Fitment would just be a matter of unscrewing the three bed leveling screws, swapping and reassembling.

The hardest is the QU-BD bed, because the underside is uneven and bumpy where the wiring feeds in and the thermistor sits.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2637/08qubdunderside.jpg

There are several options here: grind into the aluminium bed the extra clearance needed, fit a squishy spacer, or fit a rigid spacer with clearance for the bumpy bits. If you just wedge the bumpy silicone bed and clamp glass on top, it is likely to flex and break under heat:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9494/06brokenglass.jpg

I originally ground down the bed and made a mess of it. It still works but looks ugly and isn't really repeatable for anyone reading this guide.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7297/07groundbed.jpg

I've just developed a printable spacer that should fit snugly. It goes together in four pieces and centers the silicone bed nicely. For a link and instructions please see later in the post.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3816/13assembled.jpg

The custom PCB can also use a spacer, but since there are minimal bumps on the underside, a flexible spacer is probably simpler to use.

Either the QU-BD or custom heated PCB will require the wire ends for the heater and thermistor to be prepped ready to connect to the Sanguinololu board.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9985/03heaterwires.jpg

In terms of firmware, the thermistor is different on the QU-BD bed, and support for this is built into my firmware. The thermistor table was found googling, and is a bit dodgy around 40 degrees as can be seen in my graph above. I contacted Solidoodle to ask them if the new heated pad needed a different firmware setting, and got a useless reply where the person didn't read my question properly and hence it was not answered. I've since discovered that there is a separate thermistor taped between the pad and the bed, and no firmware changes are required.

Solidoodle Silicone Bed Mounting Kit

Whichever solution you choose, you will likely want to use a glass bed above the heater. I have developed a clamping system which adapts to various thickness pieces of glass, offers a quick release system and requires minimal installation effort.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:64607/

The system requires four M3 screws, preferably with a counter sunk, hex socket head. It also needs some random screws with a wide head, and some springs that can be cut down to fit.

Included in the Thingiverse link is the four part spacer, smaller nuts to level the bed from beneath, and the two part glass clamping clips. After printing each part, all that should be needed for installation is drilling four 3mm holes through the aluminium bed in line with the holes in the spacer.

1. Print the large spacer parts (A-D). 10% infill is suitable. Assemble the spacer parts and drill four 3mm holes in the aluminium bed using the spacer as a template.

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7579/10drilledbed.jpg

2. Print the remaining parts at >50% infill for strength.

3. Insert the bed leveling screws through the aluminium bed and wooden carriage, before screwing on the bed height knobs. They should be a very tight fit.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9826/11bedheightknobs.jpg

4. Assemble four sets of the bed clip pieces as shown in the photo. I had some M3.5 screws with wide heads left over from something else. I also cut down some springs that were laying around.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3286/12bedclipassembly.jpg

5. Push a counter sunk M3 screw through the spacer and drilled holes in the aluminium bed. Line up the bed clip assembly and turn the M3 screw to cut a thread and attach it.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3816/13assembled.jpg

6. Place silicone heater or heated PCB on top and then a piece of glass. 160 x 170mm is ideal to get some clearance for the nozzle when homing.

Bed mounting kit with QU-BD silicone bed:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3590/14complete.jpg

Bed mounting kit with custom PCB:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9948/15completewithcustompcb.jpg

7. Print! (but don't forget to set the z-height screw in a safe position to avoid cracking the now higher glass. Don't forget to alter the bed thermistor setting in configuration.h of the firmware if you haven't used the original. If changing to a faster option, you will find far greater performance by enabling bed PID temperature control in configuration.h on line 161. Flash the firmware, and run bed PID auto tune with:

M303 E-1 C4 S90

This runs bed PID  auto tune at 90 degreesC for 4 cycles. The log will spit out PID values when done. Change the PID values on lines 174-176 and re-flash the firmware after this.

Conclusion

If you are prepared to put in a bit of effort in the fitment, upgrading the heated bed is one of the most us user friendly mods you can make. It will be much, much faster to start prints, and using glass means you can have a continuous production line. I've ended up using the custom PCB simply because it's easier to get the glass to sit flat on top of it. The QU-BD bed has similar performance but is tricky to sit right. Perhaps taping or gluing it down would help?

I'd also like to note that I had a QU-BD unit recently fail. It started with intermittent failure to heat until I wiggled the cords going in, which gradually became more frequent until it died permanently. It's likely a loose connection, but since everything is sealed inside, fixing is difficult.

Happy printing!

2 (edited by jefferysanders 2013-03-23 14:07:34)

Re: Heated Bed Upgrade - Guide with Pics/Comparisons/STLs

Looks dang good!!!  Can I rotate the cords to the back of the printer? (I use a fan that hits cords in that orientation) Silicon baking mats also prevent slippage. For mine I had a giant roll of kapton, so I sandwhich a sheet of glass, the qu-bd bed, the sil mat leveling shims  to make a package and that just sits up on top with 2 clips...

So the new SD mat performs that bad even when with the new PSU?

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Awesome!  You are the MAN!.  Thanks for this write up. I've been waiting for this mod. Already have the QU-BD matt, and power supply standing by. Thanks a Million Lawsy!

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D

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My QU-BD was giving me problems also.  I attached the cord to the wooden z support using zip ties to remove the movement of  the cord to pad connection and my problem went away.

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Nice mod. Yours is starting to look like a Frankendoodle!

SD2
E3D V6
MK5 V6

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NICE WORK!  (as usual)

I will be including this in my mod plan, which will include the jigsaw replacement, new hot end, 15 amp P/S, and many of the mods you detailed here...


You are the man!

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very good work..

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Awesome Guide!!

I have ordered a SD2 with a heated bed and have some questions about this mod...With the PCB mod do you need the upgraded power supply? If so, does the heated bed power supply also supply power the the Sanguinololu board (or do you use the stock power supply for the Sanguinololu still?). It seems through the jumper wire fix that they both run off of the same power supply (but I just wanna make sure). Also what type of Copper clad board did you use? Single sided? how thick? and are their any other things you need to add to the PCB?.... resistors, diodes etc.

Sorry I just want to make sure that if I do this mod it works properly

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Custom PCB needs upgraded power supply for sure. It draws more current than the QU-BD bed. I went through four redesigns until the resistance was just right to get the maximum heating speed my power supply could handle.

I use the same power supply for everything. The board needs no extra resistors or diodes, only what is shown.

Copper clad board was double sided, but I only etched the one side. I used kapton to protect the other side. Apparently using a double sided board helps spread the heat more evenly. The board is from jaycar.com.au and I think it's 2oz.

10 (edited by adrian 2013-03-24 11:36:51)

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Nice work. Will need to rescale for the SD3 bed, but top stuff! smile

lawsy wrote:

...The board is from jaycar.com.au and I think it's 2oz.

They are indeed 2oz. So if you have cheaper board stock from ebay or elsewhere, be careful, because its often only 1oz copper..

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Based on this extremely clean and effective looking upgrade, would you recommend someone looking to get a SD2 to get the one without the heated bed and perform this mod?

The only reason I can see for a new user like myself to start with the factory heated bed is to be able to print other parts/mods before installing this upgraded heated bed. But maybe this is the first thing I could do with it out of the box? What are your thoughts?

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That is an interestin question.

I suppose the electronics are the same apart from not getting the wiring, plugs and bed thermistor.

The other issue would be the acrylic bed instead of the aluminium one. Not sure how thick it is and how easy it would be to mount these parts. If you could it may have less thermal mass and be even quicker to heat up.

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Thanks for the quick response! I don't know much about the electronics side of things, but I maybe could source the thermistor for somewhat cheap? Is there documentation about how to re-create the electronics for the heated bed from scratch?

The acrylic bed is 10mm (more than thrice the thickness of the aluminum one). I agree that it should be quicker to heat than the aluminum plate, but I think you would want to use a glass plate for a printing surface. And if so, then the only use of the acrylic plate would be to hold the whole operation onto the build platform? In which case, that's a lot of z-height to sacrifice, and an even thinner sheet of metal could be used.

I think the bottom line is that it seems like this upgrade is so superior to the original that it would provide a better quality final product for less than $100. More work, though. Would you agree?

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lawsy wrote:

I suppose the electronics are the same

Power supplies are different.

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The Sanguinololu board will already have the connections on board, so that part is easy.

It would definitely be more work.

With the new Solidoodle aluminium platform things might be able to be refined even more.

16 (edited by adrian 2013-04-21 16:08:40)

Re: Heated Bed Upgrade - Guide with Pics/Comparisons/STLs

I've just made this up for my SD3.

Used a new base as its shielded from the heat via the ABS anyway and it should suck up any flex fine once the piece of glass/ceramic tile is installed on top.

Ended up scaling the model up by 133% to give me very close to the 200x200 of the SD3. This also means that where lawsy used M3's, I now am using M4's, but its otherwise a perfect fit. Haven't mounted it to the platform yet, but will get around to that job tomorrow.

Heres some quick pics:
Base, Bed Upgrade + QU-BD 200x200 Square Silicone Heat Bed:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8400/8667947813_03e1437c42.jpg

The Base + Bed Upgrade with M4's and the 40x20 Test Cube on top for scale reference:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8398/8669046874_7bb61d555a.jpg

Underside of the Base:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8388/8669045260_ec5877d92a.jpg

Thanks Lawsy!

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Looks great! I am planning on doing this mod also. I picked up a 12v 20A power supply from Jameco.com for $54.95. http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores … 2101497_-1


Smitty

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Smitty505000 wrote:

Looks great! I am planning on doing this mod also. I picked up a 12v 20A power supply from Jameco.com for $54.95. http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores … 2101497_-1


Smitty

41A for $12 shipped:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1185/pow … 0w-for-12/

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Smitty505000 wrote:

Looks great! I am planning on doing this mod also. I picked up a 12v 20A power supply from Jameco.com for $54.95. http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores … 2101497_-1


Smitty

41A for $12 shipped:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1185/pow … 0w-for-12/

That's a good price for that many amps!

My SD3 will be here Tuesday and I am getting ready. I have 40mm and 30mms fans, connectors, upgraded power supply, pedestal housing the power supply and power switch, QUBD 200mm heater for bed, Plexi for enclosure, 12" and 14" party trays, hinges, glass. I don't like the idea of scaling up the model of the bed because it would scale up the thickness, the lip thickness and height. I tried to modify lawsy's .skt's in sketchup but not familiar enough with the software. I am now modeling the bed only in Pro-e. All that's left is to cut it up into 4 pieces and export to .stl's. Oh I cut my own glass from a piece I got at home depot since a standard 8" x 8" would not be big enough with the printed bed part. Cut pretty easy then used my disc sander to remove the sharp edges.

Smitty

20 (edited by Smitty505000 2013-05-06 01:13:15)

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I finished the 8" bed parts. I will try and attach the STL's.

Smitty

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21 (edited by adrian 2013-05-07 02:39:11)

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Smitty505000 wrote:

I finished the 8" bed parts. I will try and attach the STL's.

Smitty

Cool - I just upscaled the original STL's 33% and then used M4's in place of M3's... worked a charm as per the pics above smile

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I might update the thingiverse details to reflect this. Glad to know it's SD3 friendly too.

23 (edited by Tomek 2013-05-23 02:58:20)

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i've been wanting to upgrade to a PCB heater something like 9" x 8" for the SD2, hoping to eventually change my X-axis to accommodate the larger platform that can easily fit within the frame (the x-axis might need to move outside.)  I was also hoping the bump of the wires to the PCB board could be accommodated by hanging over the edge of the 6x6 aluminum plate (in the back.)

However I've struggled a bit to make the PCB heater and want to avoid manually constructing the traces, in case my resistance is off a bit I don't want to resize things (worse case I can do things manually with a large clearance on the traces, so I can adjust them up if I need.)


I was hoping to use this guys script https://github.com/nrpatel/HeatedBed which should theoretically just require me to enter my board Cu thickness, volts running at, desired wattage, size of board, and it generates the board. Then I could manually edit in Kicad (open source PCB software), which I'm familiar with, to manually edit the file for some magnet holes for the glass magnets I'll be using. But I'm shamefully nooby and not understanding how his HeatedBed script is supposed to run. I just don't see a friendly place where I enter parameters and have never actually run a python module. Hah, I feel like I'm not supposed to admit that sad.  I end up generating this thing in python Idle that looks like it might be a PCB file format, but really I'm not sure what I'm doing ^_^.


Just thought I'd throw a link to the script in case you ever wanted to do different sized boards ^_^.


Edit, I ended up playing with the script a bit more and realizing the file output is the Kicad Brd file format. I am making something, but it looks a little crazy right now. My settings must be off because my file is huge.

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Sigh, I finally got the script working, and the maker emailed me back that he hadn't really intended it for final production; that's why even when I had it running it wasn't quite right.

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Has anyone actually got this to work?

I labored intensely over making the pcb and it came out perfect with no overlaps, etc. Did all of the Sanguino upgrades, etc.

I've tried 2 power supplies, a modified XBox 360 203w [email protected] and an ATX 12v@19a.  I did the 5v load modification to the ATX using 2 10ohm@10w power resistors wired in parallel to 5v and ground according to instructions on varying other reprap sites in order to properly load the 5v side.

Printer runs fine on both supplies - extruder, motor, etc. but as soon as I kick in the pcb heat-bed both power supplies quit.  I've retraced all of my steps numerous times but this just doesn't work.