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Topic: Windows 10 Turning into a Bully

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Re: Windows 10 Turning into a Bully

Annoying. Thanks for the heads up though!

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3 (edited by pirvan 2016-02-05 17:41:14)

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Isn't it just typical MS bullshit??  Heavy handed, intrusive and bordering on the illegal.

Oh, yeah... and I work for a computer manufacturing company and we are bound by the Microsoft OEM agreement to ship the systems with all the Microsoft-centric options in place.

Next time someone installs Windows 10, they should check out what they agree to when they click "Use Recommended Settings" (i.e hit NEXT or enter at every step of the installation).  It's freaking scary.

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This is why my SD2 runs off a windows XP netbook with no internet, and the rest of my work is on a mac.

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Well, I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, and have been since I installed it back in 2010.  The difference is that I don't do any automatic updates.

I periodically download some updates, but download them as standalone packages, not through Windows Update.

I updated it in 2013 when SP.1 came out and did a few security updates, but that's about it.  I won't ever do automatic updates on my PC or my Mac.  Heck, on my Mac I'm still running OX Lion, works just fine the way it is.

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Im with driggers! same for me. Win10 has always been like this and it forces win7/8 users to "downgrade" to win10 and turn over full control of your PC to MS also you MUST have an MS account and internet to even ask permission to use your PC from then on. its why I spent 2 months cleaning all their crap off my Win7 laptop after only 1 week trial board to death of all the sparten limited ability of it on WIn10 also Win10 dont allow support of any factory PC features they did not aprove. I had at least 6 things on my Lenovo thinkpad that could not run at all. so I told MS what they can do to themselves and cut all ties to them. Win7 minus the last 100 or so updates is far as I go since all updates after last summer are only Win10 worms that also superglue that damd window icon on taskbar that loads it. it can also be removed if you google how. the Thinkpad forum has a complete list of "updates" to remove win10 crumbs

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7 (edited by pirvan 2016-02-05 20:26:01)

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n2ri wrote:

...turn over full control of your PC to MS also you MUST have an MS account and internet to even ask permission to use your PC from then on.

Whoa... really???.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Windows 10 fan, nor am I Microsoft fanboy, but that statement is simply wrong.

If you know what you're doing (namely don't let it install the defaults by blindly clicking next, next, next) and can do without some of the MS bloatware like Cortana and Bing, you don't need an MS account to use the machine.  There's plenty of software available that can replace those "features" and do it better.

I use Windows 10 at work, and it works OK, once you get past the shoddy interface, and no, I didn't turn over control to MS, nor do I have to have an MS account or ask permission to use it.

Here is a list of apps to stay away from: Cortana, Bing, Edge, Xbox Multimedia, Microsoft store.  There are also some features that should be opted out of during installation, but you can still disable them after the fact, like WiFi Sense, and all the so called "Getting to know You" features.   All these use your social media accounts and passwords to share everything about you and your friends.  You should also turn off any of the targeted advertising features by disabling the "advertising ID".  All these are there to supposedly "improve your experience"...yeah, right.

There are a few other things, but if you take precautions you can be free of Microsoft intrusions under Windows 10.

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it forces you to logon to your own PC using your MS account and you are no longer admin they are. you are just a workstation on their workgroup now. and none of the features (few they are) of win10 can only be used while online through their cloud database and all downloads get screened for copywrite rules etc they also report everything you do to MS and their buds. you forgot several other apps it installs like silverlight phone and other mobile device interfaces etc. which I never use anyway. I couldnt even put myself back as admin rights till I closed my MS account went back to Win7 and started removing all their garbage and redundant settings they changed. never could redo my original home workgroup and profiles had to recreat them. and now MS is the target of all hackers trying to tap into all their clients data like I knew would happen. their idea of security has nothing to do with your security, only theirs and finding more stuff/apps to sell you to do what used to be free.

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I've no idea where you get all this misinformation, but I think you need to revisit what it is you can and can't do with your PC.

FWIW, you don't even have to give it a real name or password to log into your PC.  I test and evaluate PC's on a daily basis, and install Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 on all of them.  All my testing and troubleshooting is done with a generic user name (User 1) with no password.

And yes, I am an administrator on those PCs, and as long as I don't need those Windows 10 "features", I can use the PC all day long and still be anonymous (other than my IP address).

If you truly believe all these things about Windows 10, and that you have no control over them or your PC, and since you seem to be very MS-phobic, then perhaps Linux would be a better solution.

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...it forces win7/8 users to "downgrade" to win10 and turn over full control of your PC to MS also you MUST have an MS account and internet to even ask permission to use your PC from then on...

ROFLMAO - ummm, yeah...No...

When the windows 10 thing started popping up in my task manager on my refurbished Win7 machine, i did a search and found out how to turn it off - and completely disable it - as I found it annoying to have it constantly bugging me to "upgrade" to something I didn't want...

so now, almost a year later, I am still using Win7, 64 bit, with no issues, no more annoying popups about win10, and no "loss of control" over my PC. So, no - it doesn't "force" one to do anything if you don't let it.

And even if it had - I have Win7 installation disks and know how to use them. wink

I also agree with Pirvan - turn off "auto" anything and take the time to read & understand what you are installing before clicking OK...
The ONLY thing that is allowed to automatically update on any of our computers is the antivirus program (Avast Free)

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11 (edited by n2ri 2016-02-09 17:56:03)

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oh and another thing it does. once you try win10 then go back to old OS if your old OS was an OEM install with your PC it tags those as "NON-Authentic" unlicensed versions and treats them as stolen. disables parts like desktop backgrounds etc and keeps popping up warnings. so you need full install discs with a Key because your old Key that came on like the bottom of your laptop is now flagged as no good. so again since no longer supporting old version upgrades your left with only 1 option win10. sounds like forced promotion to me and Illegal sales tactics and thats why its free for now then they sell options for the OS your stuck with from now on if dealing with MS anymore. this is why you see new Win 7 boxed discs selling on ebay etc for more than new price $400+.

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as for auto-update" even if you select ask me first, MS updates still auto install. so you have to select never update or check for updates which upsets the builtin MS shield apps too.

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worse thing about all this is since MS dont even care to warn of any of these issues (that would thwart their scheme) but rather deny the existence of it all when called out. that breaks all trust with the consumers and WILL lead to their demise as this type of business is built on trust.

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the small pecentage of savy OS users that know how to work around MS tricks mostly are not MS consumers but use other OS like Linux. Mac etc  so its effecting 90% of MS customers. just like AOL people are sheep/followers that dont know better. My brother inlaws are perfect examples one of them does very little to install virus protection on his computers yet likes to browse all poor sites that are full of bugs waiting to infest your PC. so every 6 months once his PC wotn operate anymore due to them all, he tosses it in a room piled with dozens more and buys another for $300-$600 saying its cheaper than dealing with it LMAO

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we have to block emails from all my Bro inlaws as they forward "jokes" to everyone in their contacts list and we know what that does to or antivirus programs lol
they browse for jokes, funny, songs, videos and join any group with them plus controversial political sites. me and my 2 IT sons call those guys puters Internet whores carrying vertual STDs like mass transit. we scanned one of his laptops 1 week after he got it and it had hundreds of suspect files plus if browsing the tool bar quickly went 3 rolls deep with popups and redirects and a dozen shortcuts on desktop he never installed LMAO it makes you skin crawl just clicking his mouse sitting in front of the puter. all manner of vial stuff. if he had WOT on his browser (and you could see past the popups hehe) every site he clicks would be Red or purple as a safe rating but he would ignor its warning and click proceed anyway just to see what hes looking for.
the last laptop he had wont even bootup it has a black display WTH kinda germ does that LOL.  I am sure he has porn site junk also even if he did not go there they redirect from other sites. I tried browsing once for an firewall on a new install (Virgin bareback on the web LMAO) I could not stand it. within 5 mins I had to just unplug PC and format/reinstall about a year ago. so my son made a disc with OS, needed apps and AV/FW for bro inlaw to run b4 even connecting to WIFI/web but he could not refrain that long so now he only has a phone for web browsing

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n2ri wrote:

oh and another thing it does. once you try win10 then go back to old OS if your old OS was an OEM install with your PC it tags those as "NON-Authentic" unlicensed versions and treats them as stolen. disables parts like desktop backgrounds etc and keeps popping up warnings. so you need full install discs with a Key because your old Key that came on like the bottom of your laptop is now flagged as no good. so again since no longer supporting old version upgrades your left with only 1 option win10. sounds like forced promotion to me and Illegal sales tactics and thats why its free for now then they sell options for the OS your stuck with from now on if dealing with MS anymore. this is why you see new Win 7 boxed discs selling on ebay etc for more than new price $400+.

I'm not going to even comment on the first part of this, because we're now getting into questionable installation practices and use of product ID keys of "questionable origins".

I do however want to know where those guys are that are selling Windows 7 packages for $400, because I have at least a half dozen valid COA (certificate of authenticity) stickers for Windows 7 Professional and OEM recovery discs, which I'd love to sell and make some money on.

I know I can return the COA stickers back to MS for the original price $120, but if I could make $400, I'd love to find some fools.. errr.. customers that would pay that.

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n2ri wrote:

oh and another thing it does. once you try win10 then go back to old OS if your old OS was an OEM install with your PC it tags those as "NON-Authentic" unlicensed versions and treats them as stolen. disables parts like desktop backgrounds etc and keeps popping up warnings. so you need full install discs with a Key because your old Key that came on like the bottom of your laptop is now flagged as no good. so again since no longer supporting old version upgrades your left with only 1 option win10. sounds like forced promotion to me and Illegal sales tactics and thats why its free for now then they sell options for the OS your stuck with from now on if dealing with MS anymore. this is why you see new Win 7 boxed discs selling on ebay etc for more than new price $400+.


Please explain how we are forced to move to 10.. Updates on a system like 7 that runs rock solid now are no longer needed. To add further now that 10 is out it will be the attention of most hackers and malware as most who are not aware of MS tactics are moving to it.. However those of us that do run older OS version are not in need of updates so it does not matter if we are supported or not.

I'm sorry but I don't in any way see that we are forced.

Also you may not be aware of this but the reason your key may be flagged is that you have exceeded the install limit. Ever since Vista was released you are only allowed 5 installs of your disk rather it is retail or OEM. If you exceed that limit all you have to do is call the 800 number and give them the code your OS is generating and they will give you a code that will validate it again. This assumes your copy was valid in the first place. Anytime you upgrade a major component like the mother board it will also try to validate your OS and that counts as an install. So again if you exceed your five install limit you will need to call to get it authorized.

Also not sure what eBay you shop on, but I will just leave this here..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Windows-7-U … SwQYZWt3Ue

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carl_m1968 wrote:
n2ri wrote:

oh and another thing it does. once you try win10 then go back to old OS if your old OS was an OEM install with your PC it tags those as "NON-Authentic" unlicensed versions and treats them as stolen. disables parts like desktop backgrounds etc and keeps popping up warnings. so you need full install discs with a Key because your old Key that came on like the bottom of your laptop is now flagged as no good. so again since no longer supporting old version upgrades your left with only 1 option win10. sounds like forced promotion to me and Illegal sales tactics and thats why its free for now then they sell options for the OS your stuck with from now on if dealing with MS anymore. this is why you see new Win 7 boxed discs selling on ebay etc for more than new price $400+.


Please explain how we are forced to move to 10.. Updates on a system like 7 that runs rock solid now are no longer needed. To add further now that 10 is out it will be the attention of most hackers and malware as most who are not aware of MS tactics are moving to it.. However those of us that do run older OS version are not in need of updates so it does not matter if we are supported or not.

I'm sorry but I don't in any way see that we are forced.

Also you may not be aware of this but the reason your key may be flagged is that you have exceeded the install limit. Ever since Vista was released you are only allowed 5 installs of your disk rather it is retail or OEM. If you exceed that limit all you have to do is call the 800 number and give them the code your OS is generating and they will give you a code that will validate it again. This assumes your copy was valid in the first place. Anytime you upgrade a major component like the mother board it will also try to validate your OS and that counts as an install. So again if you exceed your five install limit you will need to call to get it authorized.

Also not sure what eBay you shop on, but I will just leave this here..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Windows-7-U … SwQYZWt3Ue


yes and when you revert back to 7 even within the 30day trial of 10 it counts it as another install when its really not. its just an un-update to 10. and win7 will no longer be supported soon (really its only been supported for win10 "updates" since last July.

I also do not care about support I still use win XP and Win7 on my laptops both 32 and 64bit and MS can only check keys when your on their site or during updates of supported OS. we are just saying if you intend to stay current with MS OS then they only leave 1 option and make it extremely hard not to for most users.

and the ebay link you posted says nothing about including valid key, I saw others that are selling copied discs also. lots of scammers since win10 began this last summer. beware

and if an OS is no longer supported or in this case has a "free" upgrade to newer version that phone number wont work. it also only can be used if you still have an MS account active to give them for confirmation. and cant use for old OEM installs it even replaces the Key with one that begins with OEMx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx when you try to change key back to the number.

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there are thousands of sites hashing all this about for over 8 months now and it has very little to do with 3D printing. and Win10 even with the MS so called 3D printing app that does nothing, is not friendly to lots of apps needed for features made into most computers much less something like 3D printers with how they connect. thats the main reason most wont use it due to it wont work/do what we need it to. besides all the security issues.

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n2ri wrote:

as for auto-update" even if you select ask me first, MS updates still auto install. so you have to select never update or check for updates which upsets the builtin MS shield apps too.

I have auto updates turned off on my Win7 machine and it isn't the least bit "upset" about it.
I have also disabled remote access services - it's not "upset" about that either.

heck, I ran 98SE for several years after it was no longer supported, and the same with XP... now Win7...
Not once have I ever been "forced" into "upgrading" to something I didn't want.

the heck with "reverting back" - back up your data, do a wipe and clean install. Done.

as for the ebay disks - a little common sense goes a long way. copies don't usually have the holograms...

here is one with key that is guaranteed to be genuine, or double your money back...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICROSOFT-WINDO … SwA4dWNVcQ

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