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IronMan - Thanks for the links. I will do this first thing tomorrow morning.

elmoret - I suspected that it might be too hot, but it's the same temperature I printed at with the original nozzle.

I started at the recommended 0.8mm size, printing at layer heights of 0.6mm

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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0.8mm nozzles produce excellent surface finish in my experience.

It is possible the two sensors are reading a little differently - different sensor placement, different sensor types.

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Re: Upgrading hotend: Airwolf HD2x to E3D V6 + Volcano

Edited topic title to make it easier to find for others.

Okay guys, here's the finished product for anyone curious. So far I'm definitely happy with it, and it was well worth everything that went into it.

http://soliforum.com/i/?PUzYXfc.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?r2v7v6d.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?POiRITq.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?9vsYJRV.jpg

Here are some of my observations and notes:
-Firstly, I couldn't have done it without you guys; your help was invaluable!
-Heats up a ton faster and has no issues holding temperature like the original hotend
-TRUE dual extrusion vs. two nozzles at one temperature
-There was a lot of little stuff, and a lot of learning for me, but overall it was fairly simple.
-I didn't lose any Z height - gained 2 or 3mm, actually
-Lost 10mm or so of print space on Y axis, due to heatsink fans
-Nozzles are 10mm farther apart than originals, so I lost 10mm on X axis
-Prints are a LOT faster and stronger!
-Surprisingly, I did not have any problems with one nozzle being higher than the other - they are both perfect (coincidence!)
-I possibly voided my warranty

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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Very nice!

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Fine work, Josh!

Do I smell an Airwolf conversion set coming to Filastruder.com? big_smile

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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IronMan wrote:

Fine work, Josh!

Do I smell an Airwolf conversion set coming to Filastruder.com? big_smile

That would be awesome!!

There are a few small things that would need to be changed before anything went public.

-Spacing on the zipties for the Y rod bearing (rear, horizontal) needs reducing
-The back piece needs a larger fillet to clear the acrylic in the back left corner
-Certain holes are too small for the screws
-Overall cosmetics can be improved some

Also, I would need to come up with a solution for the part fan. I left it off because I probably won't be using it for PC.

BTW, I told Airwolf what I did to their printer to see what they say about the warranty. Maybe they will let me keep the warranty on everything but the hotend.

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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A reasonable company would do just that...I guess we'll see!

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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Looking forward to seeing some Volcano prints with Filastruder polycarbonate big_smile

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elmoret wrote:

Looking forward to seeing some Volcano prints with Filastruder polycarbonate big_smile

+1

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Pics coming soon!

Airwolf3D wrote:

Hi Josh,

Regarding the warranty, we do take these issues on a case by case basis, and I will do the very best I can to support you within our warranty coverage.

Please be aware that we cannot provide technical support for a printer that has these modifications in place. There is no way for us to guarantee that this new hot end that you have designed will allow the printer to work in its normal way, and we cannot guarantee proper functionality if you have altered the firmware that we have written for this printer. This is very standard operating procedure for warranties and technical support.

Any technical support will have to be for the printer with its original parts and firmware installed. I will do my very best to assist you, however the warranty coverage will have to be taken on a case by case basis with the approval of our management.  I cannot guarantee the warranty coverage with these modifications. We aim to provide the best customer support possible, and so I will work with you within our warranty guidelines and represent your case to the best of my ability.

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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"Any technical support will have to be for the printer with its original parts and firmware installed."

Wow...does not sound right to me under this statement from the Magnuson-Moss Act:

"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."

Also, did AirWolf publish any limitations of their warranty with simple and readily understood language?

"Any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission."

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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josh.aeauto wrote:

this new hot end that you have designed

lol

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I told him it's an E3D hotend.

IronMan -
100% agreed. I'm not sure how to approach the situation now, whether I should just leave it be or dispute it

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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It sounds like you have some CS tech, not the founder (Erick Wolf)... so I doubt disputing it will get you very far, he's probably just doing what his boss says.

I vote let it roll, and share with folks that ask about Airwolf. Or try to contact Erick:

Contact Information:
work email - [email protected]
office - (949) 478-2933

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elmoret wrote:

I vote let it roll, and share with folks that ask about Airwolf.

+1...
All you did was choose a new thermistor setting (thermocouple)...the rest of your mods are mechanical and have nothing negative to do with the function of the machine...except to make it better!

Hate it when people don't understand continuous improvement...

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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Re: Upgrading hotend: Airwolf HD2x to E3D V6 + Volcano

Let it roll it is. Who needs a warranty anyway when I have you guys? lol

Here's my first few prints:

My calibration cube
http://soliforum.com/i/?OkfcfsD.jpg

First object; I chose this one because of it's combination of thin walls, curves, etc. The lighting makes it look bad, but it really looks pretty good. Certainly just as good as anything I had before.
http://soliforum.com/i/?XO6VHqR.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?flzTnBG.jpg


Just a note; I ended up changing down to a 0.6 nozzle to get some little details back. But boy am I going to miss those speeds. As of right now, it's printing about twice as fast as it was before and still looks great! I basically copied some of AZERATE's slicer settings, but with .6mm line widths instead of 1.2 because it was skipping some smaller details.

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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hi
my name is Rodger i work for a small plastics company in Alabama. we purchased a airwolf3d HD2X last year and i have been really disappointed in the print quality and consistency. i am interested in how will your modifications are working. have you considered going to a direct drive instead of the bowden. i am not worried about the warranty after the first 6 month you lose the free online tech support and they won't hardly talk to you with out purchasing a support ticket. 6 months after i got the printer i had too put helicoils in all the holes that hold the tip because they had stripped out.

any information or thought would be appreciated

thanks
Rodger

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rmonroe wrote:

hi
i am interested in how will your modifications are working. have you considered going to a direct drive instead of the bowden.

any information or thought would be appreciated

Rodger -

I've been really happy with the print quality. My main reason for doing this, as stated in another thread, was because we had problems with the hotend not staying hot enough for PC printing. The guys here helped me conclude that it was because they are trying to heat the hotend with an underpowered heater.

I haven't considered going to direct drive because it weighs down the hotend. I feel like bowden decreases vibration and helps with print quality.

Since the upgrade, I've been really happy with it.
- Print quality is just as good, if not even better. Even with the larger nozzle sizes.
- I've seen a noticeable increase in print strength (this is especially important for what I do)
- The original hotend snapped onto the rods. Over time, and with heat, this got stressed and became slightly loose. My solution was to use zip-ties instead. This holds everything much more secure.
- It heats up a TON faster. From cold, it will heat up to 300 degrees in less than two minutes. This was a much welcome change compared to ten minutes or so before.
- Overall cost will be around $300, but it was worth every penny!

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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Here's what Josh purchased:

2x 3.0mm Volcano Full Hotend Bowden - $104.99/ea
2x Thermocouple board - $19.99 each
2x THermocouple - $14.99

But you only need the thermocouple board and thermocouple if you want to go over 290C.

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elmoret wrote:

Here's what Josh purchased:

2x 3.0mm Volcano Full Hotend Bowden - $104.99/ea
2x Thermocouple board - $19.99 each
2x THermocouple - $14.99

But you only need the thermocouple board and thermocouple if you want to go over 290C.

That's right, I forgot about that. I also got some spare nozzles.

You could definitely cut the price down a lot if you didn't need to go over 290C.

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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Josh thanks for your reply, would it be possible to get a copy of your cad file. I'm not to worried about making the mechanic modifications but firmware mods and wiring concern me a little.
before you made your mods did you have issues with temperature differential between what the printer said the temp was and what you measured at the tip. currently I get between a 20 to 30 degree temperature drop.

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Yea, I'd be happy to post them. They're on my computer at work, I'll post them tomorrow.

I never measured the temperature but it's very possible because I don't have to run the hotend as hot now. I can run it 10-15 degrees lower.

The firmware is pretty easy. There are guys here that can walk you through it better than I can - they helped me. If you have the time, read through this entire thread as it covers the firmware.

Wiring is also not an issue for myself or someone else to walk you through.


Maybe this would be a good time to write up that printer-specific E3D conversion guide that elmoret mentioned.

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
Filastruder #1577

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Re: Upgrading hotend: Airwolf HD2x to E3D V6 + Volcano

Josh would you be willing to do a benchmark test with your printer after the mod's you have done and my stock machine running the exact same program. the only issue I see that we might run into is the tip diameter. did I read it correctly that you are running a .6mm tip, I'm running the stock .5mm tip. would the changes to the firmware make using the same code not possible?

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Sure, what are you wanting to print? I'm printing at .4mm layer height and .7 or 1mm width depending on what i'm printing.

What are you wanting to benchmark? Speed or quality?

-Prusa i3 MK2s
-Airwolf HD2x w/ E3D v6 + Volcano
-Custom built Solidoodle 3 clone w/ E3D v6+ Volcano    -Solidoodle Press w/ E3D Lite6
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100 (edited by rmonroe 2015-08-05 02:10:30)

Re: Upgrading hotend: Airwolf HD2x to E3D V6 + Volcano

I'm more interested in quality and detail than speed, but a good balance between the two is good also. I don't have anything specific in mind. when I get to work tomorrow I will see if I can come up with something, unless you have something that you have already run? have you run anything with a little more detail in it than the round part you have shown?